Interview May 26, 2025
Installation view of Salvador Jiménez-Flores, El árbol del medio ambiente en la villita / The Environmental Tree of Little Village, 2020, terra-cotta, black stain, glaze, wax, and gold luster, 10 × 8 × 2 feet. Photo by Michael Tropea. Courtesy of the artist.
Interdisciplinary artist Salvador Jiménez-Flores tells stories through the lens of his lived experience in both Mexico and the United States. The son of a farmer, his early connection to earth and labor inspired his work with clay and materials like woven palm fronds. He notes that if artists are meant to offer a reflection of society, he hopes to add an extra layer of awareness to this practice. To achieve this, he examines the politics of identity, scrutinizing issues like colonization and migration through socially conscious installations, public art, and studio art. Drawing from his multicultural upbringing, he often inverts the Spanish phrase ni de aquí, ni de allá (“not from here, not from there”), choosing instead to embrace the idea of being both from here and also from there. According to Jiménez-Flores, the purpose of making art is to create striking human connections.
Charles MooreSo much of your work speaks to the intersection of hybridity and identity. How do you approach the idea of home in your practice, both physically and conceptually?
Salvador Jiménez-FloresI think the idea of home and belonging is probably what brought out the artist in me. Growing up in Mexico, the son of a farmer, I worked with my hands on the earth. Now I work with clay. Home is about a complex relationship between the United States and Mexico forged over the centuries. As a third-generation immigrant, I began to see patterns that tie to political decisions and treaties between the two countries.
CMAnd moving here, how did it affect you personally?
SJFArriving in the States, not speaking the language or understanding the education system, was a huge transition. Then I stumbled upon photography. That was a window that showed me the power of visuals that could speak for themselves and tell their own stories. That’s when I decided to make work that told the story of the people of my community.
CMSo what’s home to you?
SJFI’ve come to realize that you just make home wherever you plant yourself. Many see themselves living in this in-betweenness of Mexican American culture. But for me, surprisingly, it’s more the idea of carrying these two languages and cultures, this duality of seeing the world any place I’m at.
Salvador Jiménez-Flores, Eagle, Serpiente, Nopalli, 2023, brass, cast iron, electroplated brass, clay slip, site-specific installation. Photo by Michael Tropea. Courtesy of the artist.
CMHas there been a difference in the way you work in the United States and in Mexico?
SJFThe work I’ve been doing in Mexico has a lot to do with the Ngiba community of Puebla. It’s not only learning this craft; it’s also a very mystical and organic experience working with the limited resources you have. It’s quite different from what I’m used to doing in the States. For one thing, the idea of homelessness keeps following me, the sense of having to capture that need for home or belonging.
CMYeah, I can relate to that. So how have you gone about bringing order into such a hybrid experience?
SJFIt started long ago with my search for purpose. It was crucial for me to find that purpose through recounting stories of the marginalized folks in the United States, especially communities I’m close to.
“Comfort limits creativity. That’s why I like to jump to other materials to start anew.”
— Salvador Jiménez-Flores
CMAnd how does your sense of purpose influence your exploration of such diverse materials? How do their properties dictate the narratives you tell?
SJFJust by putting yourself in the state of trusting the process, you stumble upon different mediums. I analyze the histories attached to them and see how that can enrich the content of my work. It’s important not to get too comfortable with materials, though.
CMWhy so?
SJFComfort limits creativity. That’s why I like to jump to other materials to start anew. Then it’s so refreshing to come back to a medium I’m passionate about, such as drawing in clay. I can see it in novel ways not possible if I had stayed within the ceramic circle. Another example is my woven-palm project. That, in itself, has pushed me to explore other mediums or techniques that I wasn’t even considering.
CMWhen you’re working on public art and things that engage with communities, how do you balance personal expression with collective dialogue?
SJFThe important thing about work in the public realm is that it’s a collective effort, not necessarily about your personal views. It’s about the site. It has been most consequential how the three great muralists from Mexico—Diego Rivera, José Clemente Orozco, and David Alfaro Siqueiros—used a storytelling approach to communicate ideas through visuals to largely illiterate people.
Salvador Jiménez-Flores, Kajne: Presagio cósmico, 2024, steel, woven palm, blown glass, thread, performative woven palm sculptures. Courtesy of the artist.
CMWas it difficult submerging your own voice to the community voice?
SJFI learned to be heavily dependent on listening to them, understanding their struggles and hopes, and trying to encapsulate that in visual forms. What I love about public art is the sense of empowerment it gives the participants. A lot of where this has succeeded is with the nomadic sculpture activations in the Boston Urbano Project and the culture of murals in some of Chicago’s neglected spaces. I can think about the Declaration of Immigration mural I did with the youth in Pilsen—just words and typography—that was embraced by the community.
CMSpeaking of embracing, how do you balance embracing humor with serious topics like colonialism, migration, and identity?
SJFMy work is very much inspired by Afrofuturism, especially when thinking about world-building. I’m a huge fan of Sun Ra and his space music that transcends time. And, like you mentioned, what’s also really interesting is how a lot of political events can be addressed through humor, as we can see with Mexican singer-songwriter Rodrigo González and the Funk Ceramic movement in the turbulent 1960s. That makes content with a deeper message more accessible to ordinary folks.
CMSpeaking of appealing to a broader audience while staying true to yourself, do you feel that your work is a form of activism?
SJFI think so. Just the word activism is an idea of someone advocating for a cause. I definitely think of art being a voice maybe for underrepresented or marginalized folk and making a human connection.
CMI want to pick up on what you said about collaboration. Why is collaboration important to you, and how can other artists learn from it?
SJFThe fascinating thing about collaboration is that you are allowing other people to enlarge your vision. Yes, I could come up with ideas, but I am completely relying on the skills of the local people. I’ve gone to glass residencies where I’m not even a glassblower, but it was amazing to see how they would translate my drawings into new material.
Salvador Jiménez-Flores, Kutha/Máscara Series, 2025, blown glass, kiln- formed glass, stoneware, woven palm, die palm, oxide stain, glaze, white gold luster, various sizes. Courtesy of the artist.
CMAs a professor, what do you hope to impart to the next generation of artists, particularly those from underrepresented communities that go into elite art schools like the School of the Art Institute of Chicago (SAIC)?
SJFIn college I met the only professor of color, an African American, who introduced me to the writings of W. E. B. Du Bois, particularly The Souls of Black Folk. After my MFA, I set out to become the Latinx professor I never had. At SAIC, I saw at once the gap that needed to be bridged with students of color. I could feel what they were going through, especially in the way they were being trained to critique. A lot of the professors would stay on the formal elements of art appreciation but seemed to shy away from the cultural or identity aspects of the work. And doing ceramics, I feel like a lot of the ceramic history is also very slanted toward this white gaze, this very Eurocentric lens. That’s how The Color Network, launched in 2018, was formed for the advancement of artists of color working with clay. Now they can be mentored, ask questions, and see a database of many artists who might look like them.
CMYour exhibition Interlace at SKETCH in Bogotá, Colombia, explores new dimensions in your work. What can you tell me about the concept, and how does it expand on your previous projects?
SJFI’m really excited to be part of this three-gallery exhibition with Kates-Ferri Projects, CAM Galería, and SKETCH. I can bring work to Colombia that started in Mexico. This project incorporates, among other things, the palm-weaving work done with the Ngiba community. This is one of the main projects that I want to expand on by transforming these woven forms—soft sculptures, if you like—into metal.
Salvador Jiménez-Flores: Interlace is on view at SKETCH in Bogotá, Colombia, until May 31; Jiménez-Flores’s work can also be seen in BUSTED: Contemporary Sculpture Busts at Frederick Meijer Gardens and Sculpture Park, Grand Rapids, Michigan, until September 20.
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Charles Moore is a critic and curator. He has written seven books, including The Black Market: A Guide to Art Collecting (2020) and Art and Economics (2024). His most recent book, 24-Hour Interview (2025), was published by Mousse.